Reid Sheftall MD — Did China Play Coronavirus Card to Damage Adversarial Economies?

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Reid Sheftall

Dr. Reid Sheftall achieved a 99.95% percentile SAT score. He graduated from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1978 with a Bachelor of Science degree in Physics. After graduation he decided to pursue a career in medicine. He took a job on the graveyard shift as an emergency room orderly at the Beth Israel-Deaconess Hospital while finishing his pre-med requirements. Dr. Sheftall received his M.D. degree from the University of South Florida College of Medicine in 1988 and began his surgery training.

Dr. Sheftall scored the highest in the United States on the American Board of Surgery In-training Exam and matched in plastic surgery later that year. He also scored in the 99th percentile on the National Board Exam and became certified by the National Board of Medical Examiners in 1989.

For the last 20 years, he has been working for a charity which he started in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, where operations on burned and disfigured children are performed. The charity is funded from the profits of his plastic surgery business. 


The original interview is split into two-parts. Only part one has been released (as yet) by host Ivor Cummins. This post took part one and reduced it to 28 minutes from 1 hour 36 minutes. If you have time, I strongly recommend watching it in full.

Transcript of Clips

Each separate clip transcribed and time-stamped below.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 00:00

Infection mortality rate claims varied from 2.7% up to even 7%, most were in the 4% range, which is about 40 times too high, which is very, very important because it caused panic and fear in the public. When you started multiplying 4%, for example, times the population of Ireland or the United States or Switzerland, you came up with an awful lot of deaths and it really scared the public.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 0:33

I noticed, as a surgeon, we noticed that surgical outcomes are very close, from a very good surgeon to a very mediocre surgeon. The mortality and morbidity is very close. Yet when I heard the information about what had happened in Italy, where 7% supposedly of the people infected were dying, and in Germany where it was much lower, I’m thinking that doesn’t make sense because the Italians would call their German colleagues and find out if something was being done differently and change something. And the race should be very close to the same. So I knew there was a problem.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 1:09

The infection fatality rate came out to 0.14%. So I knew there was some growth. There were some gross errors going on with the way that the cases were being counted by all of the important organizations that I just listed, what resulted from that was, I didn’t really get any footing because I posted it on Facebook and everybody said I was crazy and wrong.

And I wrote letters to Fox and CNN, hoping that I could come on as a guest for five minutes and explain this. But I didn’t hear back from anyone.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 1:43

What happened, unfortunately, is that everybody accepted those numbers as gospel, if you will, and proceeded to make models that were way off. Epidemiologists appeared on television, and they were way off. The general population, as I said before, began to panic.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 2:05

And then the politicians were able to [owing to IFR being x40 too-high], and I’m not saying they were nefarious in this, but they were able to institute some policies which were extremely destructive. And we’ll talk about that in a second.

I don’t think the general public would have agreed to lockdowns, for example, if they had known that the infection fatality rate is 0.1%. It’s the same as flu.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 2:29

China thought the infection fatality rate was 4%. The WHO kind of echoed that. Experts in the United States also echoed it and it got all the way down to where I was debating people on Facebook and the internet who had no scientific background that I was wrong and why I was wrong and so forth. It got to be a little bit ridiculous, but that’s the price for coming up with something that’s one 40th of what the experts say. I was contradicting the experts.

December 11, 2020

“Infection mortality rate claims varied from 2.7% up to even 7%, most were in the 4% range, which is about 40 times too high, which is very, very important because it caused panic and fear in the public. ”

Reid Sheftall

Plastic Surgeon/Director American Medical Center

Reid Sheftall ➝ 3:12

Now here, as of September 10th, is a slide that shows what the survival rates are by age for various ages. It’s an old person’s disease, primarily, which we’ll talk about that and the reasons for that, but this was on September 10th. And I’d just like to point out that the CDC, which published these numbers, was one of the organizations that had it at 4% early on. These numbers translate into a 0.1% infection fatality rate.

So what is the survival rate between age five and 17? I actually cannot find it, but I did find on the CDC website on the morbidity and mortality weekly report that 51 school-aged children have died of COVID-19 so far as of, from March 1st to September 19th. Now there are 56.4 million students and elementary, middle and high school in the United States.

So that means the chances by population, not by infection, but by population are less than one in a million per year.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 4:26

Every year, more than 200 school-aged children on average die from the flu during a five month flu season. And in 2017/2018, which was a very bad flu season, estimates were that 650 died.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 4:46

We’ve already said that in 10 months this year 51 children have died. The other issue is flu causes much more morbidity than SARS-CoV-2 in that age group. By morbidity, I mean things like everyone that gets the flu goes to bed, they’re tired. They get fevers. Sometimes they can even get septic from it.

I’ve had to drain lung abscesses from patients who started out with the flu, so it can get very serious, the morbidity now, not the mortality. So if you want to be consistent, if you want to say it that way, if you’re going to close the schools for SARS-CoV-2, you must close them every year for the flu, because it’s actually much more severe in the school age group.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 5:27

I remember fairly early on, there was a Kawasaki like syndrome that was publicized a lot in the United States because five or so children got this Kawasaki like syndrome, and that scared the parents and the entire country. I was talking about 56.1 million children. It scared the parents because Kawasaki likes syndrome is pretty serious, but it was only in a few patients and they used it, the people that were in favor of closing the schools. And there are a lot of them, sadly, in my opinion, use that as a reason to keep the schools closed.

Ivor Cummins ➝ 6:05

And just from the European data to look at 2017/18 season, there were around 140,000 excess deaths in the respiratory season. And this year, those are around 185,000. So you could say around 35% worse for mortality SARS-CoV-2 than 2018 season.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 6:28

Well, I think there’s factions in society that are pushing this to be a big problem, perhaps because of the election in America. I don’t want to talk about politics certainly at first here, but there are groups that don’t seem to be looking at reality very well. And that’s something philosophically that bothers me. You know, I see more and more of that as I get older and, not just in America, but in the whole world, it’s like, we’re moving away from science in a strange way, but those same people say, you’ve got to follow the science.

When I say something like the infection fatality rate is only 0.1% as if I’m not following the science as an MIT physics guy and a doctor. It’s amazing.

Reid Sheftall

Another thing, problem with the test, by the way, is it’s performed – a test called the PCR test is used, which stands for polymerase chain reaction. And there’s a lot of problems with that test, which I will talk about later, I think, but let me just say upfront that when we see all these positive cases, some of them are older than they’re letting on. They’re calling them new cases. The test looks for messenger, RNA fragments and the oral pharynx. It’s a swab test. It’s an antigen test.

As opposed to an antibody test and those fragments can stay in there for months after the patient has recovered. That’s number one. And number two, think of the name, It’s polymerase chain reaction. The PCR test is an amplification test. It can take a tiny fragment and amplify it into a billion fragments. And someone, when we talked about, when we talk about immunology in a few slides here, I’m going to explain that there are different types of immunological responses to a pathogen.

Reid Sheftall

One of which is the barrier immunity, and you can have fragments of messenger RNA in your oral pharynx and have never gotten sick from the disease, never even registered on the scale. No blip, no signal, no nothing, because the barrier immunity injured the viruses early on and broke them into pieces. And then the PCR picks it up as a new test.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 8:52

I read two quotes from the Mayo clinic. One said that study suggests that the majority of patients develop antibody response in the second week after onset of symptoms. And the other said, symptoms began five to 14 days after infection. And I drew a graph, or, I copied a graph. And then I put those two statements onto the graph, and there’s really no reason to test asymptomatic people. That’s the bottom line.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 9:22

Lockdowns not only did not work, but they cause much more death and destruction than if they had not been instituted. And I made this post on March 17th before, in America anyway, we’d even started a lockdown.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 9:37

People are ignoring science. They’re not looking at it. You know, it’s not just some foreign doctor in Phnom Penh now saying that the infection fatality, right, they have it all wrong and so forth. The, the data is in now, what I really, really upsets me is that they’re going to go in and do it again.

December 11, 2020

“Every year, more than 200 school-aged children on average die from the flu during a five month flu season. And in 2017/2018, which was a very bad flu season, estimates were that 650 died…

The other issue is flu causes much more morbidity than SARS-CoV-2 in that age group.”

Reid Sheftall

Plastic Surgeon/Director American Medical Center

After some of the numbers that I get ready to show you. And let me show you, if you if you will. The lockdowns caused so much death and destruction and will in the future.

Let me just list a little bit. When you lose your job, like happened to so many people, you lose your medical insurance. Some people lost their life savings. Some people will lose their life. And I don’t mean some, I mean, millions. And I’ll talk about that in a second.

The lockdowns did not really do anything helpful either. They didn’t reduce the mortality and they did not flatten the curve. And I’m going to prove that in just a second.

The other issue with when the proof begins to start, I’ll show you that the people that use lockdowns have indistinguishable graphs from their neighbors.

Ivor Cummins ➝ 10:47

But it’s actually 37 days ago that the governor on the inputs from professor Michael Levitt, Nobel prize winner, who assured him of what you’re saying.

The governor dropped all lockdown measures and all mask mandates and fines, and Florida opened up 35 days ago. And the mortality curve went on as if nothing happened right up to today.

So the empirical proof of this is astounding, but I let you get back to this one. I liked the UK one, it’s a great example.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 11:21

When I came up with the idea that there was selection bias in counting cases and the infection mortality rate was really equal to the flu. Just a few weeks after that, Dr. Ioannidis published something on YouTube, which was saying the same thing.

And I’ll tell you it was a relief because you would not believe the emails and comments I was getting. It was getting very personal about me saying this stuff like I’m a child killer and all this kind of stuff, because I was talking about no need to close down the schools, et cetera. A

nd then when these very distinguished gentlemen, Dr. Levitt is a Nobel prize winner, as you know, said basically the same thing that I said I felt like, well, I’m in good company.

Ivor Cummins ➝12:04

So all of the science now is clear as day. And no one will cover it.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 12:13

Argentina. El Salvador, was that Colombia? Yes. Here are the death curves. Those were cases. Here are deaths. And this corner down here is Sweden, which we all know – and we’ll talk about it in a second – did not institute lockdowns, and their curve is qualitatively the same as all the other countries listed here, Spain, United Kingdom, France, Italy, et cetera.

Ivor Cummins

And you know, I think the primary drivers now off your actual mortality curve do not include lockdown. The big ones in Europe and elsewhere are prior flu season severity.

So if you had a bad season in the last 18 months, you have relatively low death for obvious reasons. And if you had relatively soft seasons, it’s much higher. Population health vectors, and particularly the health of the aged, and vitamin D status are big too.

So there’s all of these drivers for our country. So Uruguay might be under counting a little, you could accuse, but the reality is Uruguay just have different factors. Lockdown is not part of it.

Ivor Cummins ➝ 13:21

The empirical science, the evidence of our own eyes. And it’s the same with mask introductions. If you look at around 10 or 12 countries where they brought in mask mandates, there was no impact on the curve, the R0 whatsoever.

So the empirical science of our own eyes is screaming at us. Masks and lockdowns don’t really move the needle much, maybe a little, but no one wants to know it’s an ideology now, it’s a religion. Professor Levitt said it’s medieval.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 13:53

Here’s another everyday example of what we’re talking about. People that stayed at home, indoors, were not out working, were the ones that got the sickest.

Ivor Cummins ➝ 14:08

You can see that when Sweden began their measures like the other Nordics, but did way less or fewer measures, 23 days later, you would have got the effect of the difference in measures between Sweden and the Nordics. But 23 days later, Sweden was already way up in mortality compared to the Nordics.

So we have the proof that Sweden’s mortality was baked in and inevitable, independent of what measures they took, relative to the Nordics.

Reid Sheftall

That’s a very good point. It was already in the graph-

Ivor Cummins ➝ 14:42

But the other thing is, it’s so obvious in Ireland, UK, and in 4.3 million grocery workers in the US, does one common thing. The grocery workers who are absolutely not locked down, they work eight to 10 hours a day with the great unwashed flowing in and out getting their essential purchases.

There were no masks, right? And it’s indoors. The grocery workers showed no signal for extra infection or death.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 15:12

Let me just talk quickly about the medical consequences of lockdowns, because so far we’ve just said that they don’t work. Let me just read a few things here.

In the United States, 650,000 people are undergoing chemotherapy at any given time, half have stopped their treatment. They’re afraid to go to the hospital to catch COVID. Do you understand?

Two thirds to three quarters of cancer screenings were not done this year. That includes things like colonoscopies. People just skip them.

40 to 50% of people with heart attacks did not even call an ambulance because they were afraid to go to the hospital.

There’s all kinds of statistics. I’m studying heart surgery now. So there’s all kinds of statistics about getting TPA and everything and quickly. And if they don’t go to the, if they don’t call an ambulance, they’re much more likely to succumb from their heart attack.

Reid Sheftall

More than half of US children did not go in for their vaccinations. It’s unbelievable deaths of despair. People lose their jobs. They commit suicide. They lose their life savings and commit suicide. There’re more opioid deaths, which is a big problem in the United States. Alcohol-related deaths go up, ER visits for child abuse are up 35%; and this is serious child abuse, such as spiral fractures and problems where the child is really having a hard time. Small child abuse, parents don’t take their children to the hospital unless they’re really worried about them.

So serious child abuse is up 35%. Non-emergency surgery was discontinued during the lockdown. That means that suspicious issues that a surgeon would have normally done an exploratory lap for, or a hip or a joint replacement etc were postponed. Herniated disc and other painful things caused an increase in opioid abuse. There’s so many factors that come out of locking down.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 17:22

I just want to make a list of some of the economic consequences from the lockdowns.

265 million people worldwide are facing acute food shortages. That’s from the World Food Programme, October 10th. 100 million additional people have fallen into the extreme poverty category, living on less than a dollar a day, World Bank. The WHO estimates that 140 million people will starve to death because of the economic fallout from the lockdowns.

Isn’t that amazing. In the US alone, 11 million people still do not have their jobs back. So they have loss of income, loss of life savings, evictions, et cetera. 100,000 businesses have closed permanently as of September 16th, and the number continues to increase. So there’s just tremendous fall out from the lockdowns.

Ivor Cummins ➝ 18:16

We see that symptomatic index cases, traced back in an Asian study, most people exposed indoors, no masks with the person who was symptomatic, did not exhibit any effects and even a negative tests. So the reality is, whether you catch it or not, an exhibit a problem, is more to do with your immune system, prior cross immunity, metabolic health, yada, yada, yada. It’s not about stopping the person spreading it because like you say, it becomes ubiquitous really.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 18:52

Now we’re on the mask. And let me just say this about, I was kind of disappointed when I studied this extensively and found out that masks don’t really work because, you know, I’m hoping that something works.

We’d like to know that something works, but I’ll tell you, I looked at a lot of stuff on masks and I just can’t endorse masks at all. They just don’t work. It didn’t change the shape of cases versus time or deaths versus time for any country. And they must change that – Richard Feynman’s quote – if you believe they reduce transmissibility right. The curves have to change in some way. And they just don’t change.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 19:33

Countries that use minimal masks did not fare worse than their neighbors. This kind of information is really to the point when you’ve got a couple of countries that are nearby, one of them doesn’t use masks at all. The other one has a mandate and they don’t fare any worse. I mean, what else do you need?

Ivor Cummins ➝ 19:50

Oh, and it’s the same with lockdowns. Of course. So lockdowns and masks largely have no correlation with the outcome that you’re attempting to change, which is stunning.

Empirical evidence doesn’t really exist for two major implementations, which were never backed up by established science in the last 40 years, that a sudden new science in lockdowns case copying China, in masks case wanting to do them based on a few junk papers. I looked at them, I’d call them junk papers. Everything was thrown out.

Our history of science and pandemic management was all thrown out, and empirical science looked on and said, guys, why are you doing this? And there’s no answer.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 20:44

At least the masks don’t cause the kind of damage that the lockdowns did and will, but maybe not.

Ivor Cummins

That that’s often used as an argument. Oh, why complain about masks because they’re easy. Well, there’s billions of dollars being spent on them and they are impacting, one person called them child abuse because if the science doesn’t support them and we have multiple published papers that children in school, especially young children are not a vector, multiple published papers.

And we mandated them for children. So children are going around eight hours in school, wearing masks. They can’t speak, they can’t hear the teacher properly. Right? They’re out playing in schoolyards outdoors with masks on. If someone says that that’s harmless, I say that person’s a sociopath.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 21:39

But first, you would not believe the people that are advocating for these masks. Still, the director of the CDC in a video talking in Congress, he’s a witness in Congress. And he said, “a vaccine that is 70% effective, my mask might be better protection than that.”

He said that. This is the director of the CDC. Now, you know, Dr. Francis Collins, he’s a giant in, you know, gene sequencing and everything. He said masks prevent the spread of the virus. Can you imagine someone like him saying that.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 22:20

Dr. Fauci in March told our show 60 minutes, which you’ve probably seen, that there’s no reason for people to be walking around with a mask on.

He actually said that on the video, which I’ve listed there. And then in October the final quote is Dr. Fauci said on CNN that if people are not wearing masks, then maybe we should be mandating it.

Ivor Cummins ➝ 22:45

I will talk a little on what you said about China. They had videos of people dropping dead in the streets.

There was a story in the New York Times about tens of thousands of Twitter accounts emanating from China, extolling the virtues of lockdowns and saying Italy needs to lock down, extolling the virtues of locking down and Italy must lock down.

So they definitely drove it. And it was like almost a trick to play on the West.

Fine. But if you look closer, millions of people apparently left Wuhan when all that lockdown thing started and they went all over the place, but there was no big epidemic anywhere else. Right.

And then a while later they opened up again and videos came out months ago, showing huge water parties in Wuhan and parties. And they’re not even wearing masks, a lot of them.

Ivor Cummins

So how did a virus that clearly got out and went around the place, just then become not a problem virus and the suggestion is that it was not a huge problem virus, more than the bad flu equivalent in the first place.

And we’ve seen that in all of the European data. It’s a nasty one. It’s very tough on Western obese and diabetic populations, you know, and in the aged, of course, but it’s a bad flu equivalent from the actual data. Now we know that. And to your point earlier, we knew it from the Diamond Princess. You know. We knew it from the early data

Reid Sheftall ➝ 24:11

Once you plug it in, it comes right out. It’s tiny. You know, if you test everyone in a fixed population, it comes to infection fatality rate is tiny, it’s 0.1%.

Ivor Cummins ➝ 24:23

So the mortality impact cannot justify the destruction of society we’re wreaking, it’s vandalism.

Reid Sheftall ➝ 24:32

I talked about 2017/2018, you know, 70 million people got the flu that season. Nobody even hardly knew it was here.

And certainly nobody was tested. Like what’s happening now. Something really odd is going on with this. Now, again, I don’t want to talk politics, but there’s an election in America. And they really, some of the people really want to make Trump look bad. Like he didn’t manage it right. Or something. So they love to inflate the numbers and so forth. I’ll leave it there.

But again, you know, some strange things happen. You know, China advertised that lockdown as being the panacea. And then, like you say, they, everyone’s out playing in a water park three weeks later and it really looks like they suckered everybody into doing this terrible thing.

And to your point, Wuhan is very close to Shanghai. And of course, when you find out there’s going to be some draconian lockdown, everyone gets in their cars and zooms to another city. A lot went to Shanghai, and Shanghai just had a tiny handful of mortality. Like, I don’t want to say nine cases, but it was some ridiculously low number, same with Beijing. It was very low. And you know, it doesn’t make any sense.

Ivor Cummins ➝ 25:49

Yeah, no. And if there’s anyone you could pick who has blood pouring from their hands, it’s Imperial College London, because they based their shock horror, non-peer reviewed report that started this madness in Europe. They based it on six infected people out of 690 people total on six flights out of Wuhan. It’s in the paper. That’s kind of the basis for their IFR and assumptions.

December 11, 2020

“I talked about 2017/2018, you know, 70 million people got the flu that season. Nobody even hardly knew it was here.”

Reid Sheftall

Plastic Surgeon/Director American Medical Center

Ivor Cummins ➝ 26:17

Yeah. What we saw and you can argue why it happened in most countries, a cabal of academics and scientists rolls up rapidly through the ranks and became the spokespeople. Sage in England. And NPHET in Ireland, mostly civil servant types, same all over the world.

It’s the wrong people rolled up and embraced the madness. And once they engaged in it and drove it, now that are committed, they’re invested, and they’re holding an iron grip on the narrative and the media, and all the scientists began to wake up because, to be honest, Reid, all the scientists in March couldn’t know about professor Levitt. And they couldn’t know that the modeling was junk.

Ivor Cummins

So they kind of thought, well, you know, look at Italy, look at the fridges. So it seemed okay to say, well, let’s lock down for a few weeks to flatten the curve. And when a few weeks passed, the curve turned off its own accord. We know now, and they didn’t want to let go of the lockdown. So it’s increasingly seeing good scientists try to rise up to get science back into the picture. But the problem now is the media won’t feature them. YouTube censors them. Everyone calls them granny murderers, and suddenly the initiative has gone and the bad guys have the initiative. And by God they’re holding onto it. And that’s to this day is what’s happening.

December 11, 2020

“China advertised that lockdown as being the panacea. And then… everyone’s out playing in a water park three weeks later and it really looks like they suckered everybody into doing this terrible thing.

Reid Sheftall

Plastic Surgeon/Director American Medical Center

Ivor Cummins ➝ 27:53

The WHO equally knows the science on the lockdowns and the analyses, but they remorselessly recently pushed lockdowns again from Tedros all the way across.

And they’re imploring governments to lock down hard and they have to know that that’s the wrong thing to do. So you can go to the World Economic Forum, WEF, they’ve made it clear that this is an enormous opportunity to bring in the Great Reset and to retool the world. I’m not even going to say whether they’re right or wrong in their ambitions, but they are using corona, and they’re openly admitting it. So I think I could go on and on all day, but there’s clearly in plain sight, huge worldwide organizations who need this crisis and who are fermenting panic for eight months. Now, why they’re doing it, you can argue. But the fact that they’re doing is plain and obvious.


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Source: ‘Ep103 – Reid Sheftall MD – Comprehensively Decoding the Viral Issue, Pt 1 of 2’, (Copyright Ivor Cummins, December 11, 2020 – Permission Obtained)

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